What are your non-negotiables? (a canon question)

[prekharper]

People have different views of what is/is not canon and descriptions of clubs as strict or liberal canon are often misleading. What things do you consider the absolutes of Pern canon, and which can be adjusted and still be true to the idea of Pern? For example, the dragon colors are pretty much standard (though occasionally new ones are proposed) while individual clubs determine which sex will ride which. How do you define it all?

[Piyer]

Absolutes:
5 colors for dragons / whers / firelizards -- Ruth, the White Dragon, is one-of-a-kind; and in the case of Rocky Crater, he's just a legend as far as I myself am concerned.
Women only Impress green and gold, men anything but gold
The general sexual orientation of the riders -- though most of Anne's assumptions about gay males on greens and blues are a lode of b***s***.

Options:
The role of women and non-heterosexuals in society outside of the Weyrs.
Brown and bronze -riders' sexual orientation -- I'm inclined to belive that both are flight-bisexual at the least.

That's all that come to mind at the moment.

[Anareth]

Absolutes: Five colors of dragon/firelizard. No sports.

Women impress only green, gold, and SOMETIMES blue. (By Anne's own weird explaination, if men can ride greens, women should be able to ride blues, unless there is literally no such thing as even a latent lesbian on Pern.) No women on browns.

No twin dragons, no cuddly pet whers, no talking firelizards.

No married dragonriders or dragonriders raising their own children, especially during a Pass.

[Greenrider Tresa]

Absolutes: Five colors of dragons, and my Weyrs are either pre-Ruth or so far past that he could well be myth/forgotten. HAD depends on club: High Reaches Weyr 12th Pass and Falling Skies Weyr don't allow them, Whitefalls Weyr has a limit of two at a time.

Options: Women as well as men can be in any craft. Women can Impress gold, green, the occasional blue, and the very rare brown. Men impress any but gold. Blue and greenriders don't necessarily have to be gay/bisexual/lesbian, but the majority are. Stand-ins are permitted.



Tresa

[prekharper]

One person applying to RCWh mentioned that, "it's too bad males can't Impress gold firelizards." In our club that is allowed -- though being a northern Weyr, we don't allow an over-abundance of any firelizards, since it's too cold to find clutches at our location. How about everyone else: flits? no flits? color restrictions for impressions?

[Anareth]

"Men can't Impress gold firelizards?" Weird. Did he say who'd made up that rule? I mean, F'nor I'm sure would be disappointed to hear that, as he'd have to get rid of Gral...

Firelizards: our limit is two to a customer, and we try to keep the metallics down, but other than that, no restrictions--any person who can Impress a firelizard can ICly Impress any color. I have no problem with them as long as they're not preturnaturally smart, talking, or overdone--if everybody's got half a dozen or more it's just getting silly, especially a dragonrider. Look how much time Menolly had to spent on her nine, with help. Who has time for that if you're also a dragonrider?

[Weyrwoman Kalina]

In my Weyr we do allow men to Impress gold Firelizards not dragons.. though none have.

ONLY the five colors of dragons. Men Impress Bronze, Brown and Blue... there are a few male green riders. Women Impress Gold and Green, and there are a few female blue riders.

There are no sport colors, no talking firelizards. Very few Whers, though they are allowed in the canon capacity. HADs are very rare, and there are only two in my club.

As far as everything else, it's totally canon. I've had members try to sneak no-nos past me, but I've always caught them :D :devil:

[Lady Cin]

I play at the Wayfarer's Arena & Basement Hold Forum (http://ladyimmortal.net/forum/index.php), some of our absolutes...

5 colors...no sports of any kind.
Gold - female only
Bronze - male only
Brown, Blue & Green - either

Firelizards aka Flitts are abundant but still only 5 colors and no sports. May be Impressed by either gender. Limit 10 per char (Menolly had 10; she aquired a 3rd bronze called Poll later).

Ours is an alternate 10th pass where AIVAS was discovered, but was dead. No new technologies.

Whers...5 colors, no sports...all colors can be Impressed by either gender. We're still integrating Todd's info on abilities, etc. because ours are much smarter but have fewer abilities.

HAD - rare; maximum of two active pc's.

[Miasion]

If I'm going through a group's website and I see teenage renegades I leave that site as quick as possible. I'm willing to overlook alot of things (straight male greenriders) but not fifteen year old leaders of theif bands (who usually have impossible pets like wildcats).

[Zei]

1. Any female can ride blue and green.
2. Heterosexual females ride gold.
3. Any male can ride green, blue, and brown.
4. Heterosexual males ride bronze.

Whers speak like this:

-Shiny firelizard. Go there. Eat.-

Firelizards speak like this:

~Happy~ ~Food~ ~Yum~

Yep, them there's my rules.

[Greenrider Tresa]

Firelizards...anyone can Impress any color. Again, with five Weyrs, there's some variation. But four of them have a limit of no more than three per person. At Falling Skies, Whitefalls and Bitkim, we prefer that bronze and gold riders don't have metallic fire-lizards. I don't see why a man can't Impress gold, in fact that situation exists at High Reaches 12.

[[Rider to dragon speech.]]
{{Dragon to rider.}}
Fire-lizards are either described or ~like this~
Nothing established for whers.
Dolphins have clipped speech at Whitefalls.


What's your position on rank? Most of my Weyrs either have stricter writing requirements for rank, or you have to have at least one nonranker for every ranker. Anyone limit the number of rankers people can have? Know some have a waiting period first, but my clubs don't bother.



Tresa

[Piyer]

I don't see why a man can't Impress gold, in fact that situation exists at High Reaches 12.

Tresa, are you talking about gold dragons there, or firelizards? In the case of the former, one of Anne's long standing rules for fandom clubs was that gold dragons can only be Impressed by women. As for firelizards, I've never heard of a club that applied the good ol' Impression rules to flits and whers, though I imagine that there are some out there -- if you look hard enough, you'll find every sort of thing in Pern fandom. :erm:

[Zei]

How does everyone think dolphins talk? I always thought they talked just like dragons, but that's just me.

[Ravien Coromana]

At my weyr, we have the occisional sport, and the female brownrider. We try to avoid going to any canon weyrs, thou, for some odd reason that none of us know.

bout flitts, we try to avoid having mass ammounts of metallics, but still have quite a few. We even let a Brekke impression happen, as in the flitts wouldnt stop them, but we havent thought about Re-inpression.

About our conversations, we have two ways that they are decided the D>R and R>D
Rider to Dragon: <Speech>
Dragon to Rider: >Speech<
We also do anne's type, in that the words are itatlized like this

Also, we have HAD, 3 of them right now.

[maiken]

Yes, and those three are going to be all that we have. :roll:

[ChristineAdai]

The nonnegotiables in our Weyr are the usual gender/color pairings of: golds are female only, bronzes and browns are male only, and blues and greens are both genders. There are no twin dragons from a single egg (especially queens!), no sports, flits are whoever gets them first with no gender preferences, but a limit to how many each person has. We welcome HADs, but we don't have any right now. I know there are more, but I can't remember any right now.

Sarah

[Larken]

Personally, I've never done full canon (I think). But these rules apply to canon draogns in a non-canon:

Gold is female only
Bronze and Brown are male only
Blue and Green are Male and Female
Flitts belong to whoever Impresses them
Whers, no clue.

I had Weyrs that are totally sport. D: < Hate 'em with a passion. Unless there are good RPing skills (which are rare).

[Bane]

I've been thinking of getting into a weyr and developing two caracters as twin dragonriders. However, I have not been able to find one that is post only. I can not, for the time being, do email. I don't have an antivirus on my computer right now. I have been going to the local college (45 minutes away) to check my email. I only do that once a week.

Also, after reading this thread, I realize I have no idea what HAD means. I also noticed that certain weyrs do not allow twin dragons from one egg. Are there weyrs that do? And are there any (good) weyrs that are non-canon enough to allow female bronze riders? Are there any other RP forums (non AMC) that allow you to create a world and the creatures and do what we do here, or is this the only one?

[Anareth]

There are probably some that have female bronze riders, but none that were ever approved under the old rules (and it may still be banned under the new.) So unless you REALLY don't care if it even remotely resembles Pern, no, there are no good Weyrs that allow women on bronzes. Or men on golds for that matter. All other colors are up for grabs depending on the Weyr in question.

Most Weyrs won't allow twin dragons, or at least healthy ones, because according to Anne that's one of the flaws that results in unhatched eggs. The dragonets would be very small and sickly. Again, there are some Weyrs that do, generally the not-quite-so-canon ones. Or the more canon ones will, if the RPer is willing to play with the idea of having an unhealthy dragonet, which does have RP possiblities.

I know there are several Weyrs listed at http://www.pernalliance.com that are forum-based, not e-mail. Check out the forums there and see if any of their ads strike your fancy.

HAD: Hears All Dragons. In canon, only women (Lessa, Brekke, Aramina, Torene, Lorana) have this ability. In fandom, some places allow males, some don't. And most clubs make them fairly rare.

Other world RP: there are probably thousands. Check Google.

[Cavatica]

How does everyone think dolphins talk? I always thought they talked just like dragons, but that's just me. No, dolphins actually speak. It's a stilted speech, and they're prone to lapsing into their own natural clicks and trills, but dolphins aren't actually telepathic.

[Maira]

I've been thinking of getting into a weyr and developing two caracters as twin dragonriders. However, I have not been able to find one that is post only. I can not, for the time being, do email. I don't have an antivirus on my computer right now. I have been going to the local college (45 minutes away) to check my email. I only do that once a week.

Also, after reading this thread, I realize I have no idea what HAD means. I also noticed that certain weyrs do not allow twin dragons from one egg. Are there weyrs that do? And are there any (good) weyrs that are non-canon enough to allow female bronze riders? Are there any other RP forums (non AMC) that allow you to create a world and the creatures and do what we do here, or is this the only one?

Okay Bane I'm gonna try and answer some of your questions for ya =).

I play at 4 forum type boards (non-email) and while one of them is quite canon the other three vary in how much they differ from Anne's books. From the sounds of things you'd probably be more interested in one of the less canon types so I'll suggest the Weyr I admin for Wyldr Weyrs (http://wyldrweyrs.6.forumer.com). We've yet to have anybody ask about twin dragon eggs but it is interesting to consider.

As for your curiousity about making and playing your own world I'm going to suggest KT Critters (http://critters.4.forumer.com) While originally it was started as a forum for KT members to RP their hatchings it has grown into much more. Many members play characters, create creatures, and hold hatchings based on their own worlds that they created there (I have two different worlds of my own I pull characters/creatures from).

Anyway here is the list of the Forum based RPG's I know of. I know there are many many more, all you have to do is rummage around a bit and you'll find em.

PernRPG (http://forums.delphiforums.com/PernRPG)
FarNorth Weyr - (based at KT Critters) (http://critters.4.forumer.com)
Paradise Weyr - (this one even has a dolphin hall) (http://paradiseweyr.proboards46.com/index.cgi)
Wyldr Weyrs (http://wyldrweyrs.6.forumer.com)

[Larken]

*enters her own shameful plug* http://groups.msn.com/AthestWeyr

I think it's alot easier to find forum Weyrs now adays. I tried an e-mail once (Arolos) and even attempted a few MUD-like (I don't know which one it actually was). My roleplay as a candidate died when no one responded, and the MUDs(MOOs, whatever) were dead.

Despite that fact that many Weyrs are on free places like MSN Groups, Yahoo Groups and so forth, I think they are the best way to Roleplay.

I've tried chats. D:< It's fustrating.

[Jay_Quessir]

I think it should be 5 colors only.
Gold- Het. F
Bronze- Het. M
Brown-Het. or Bi M, Gay F
Blue-Bi, Het, or Gay M or Female
Green-Gay M or Het Female. Maybe Bi.

What is weird about most people say that FEW gay males impress Green. In Anne's Pern, only a few agressive het females impress green. It's mostly a male-dominated color.

[Jay_Quessir]

I also prefer the talk between characters to be

{{Hello Mine}} for dragon to lifemate
>>Hello<< lifemate to dragon
~~Sky~~ Flit to anyone.
<<Sun feels good>> Dragon to dragon

[cwolf]

Remember in White Dragon that Jaxom learned in a random conversation that Ruth actually wasn't full white. The colors of all the dragons were intermixed in it. You just couldn't see it except when the light hit him a certain way.

[QUOTE=Piyer]Absolutes:
5 colors for dragons / whers / firelizards -- Ruth, the White Dragon, is one-of-a-kind; and in the case of Rocky Crater, he's just a legend as far as I myself am concerned.

[Lady Miacara]

No, dolphins actually speak. It's a stilted speech, and they're prone to lapsing into their own natural clicks and trills, but dolphins aren't actually telepathic.

Yeah I've sometimes heard it described almost toddler-like.

[HarperBrandyAlexander]

Since I'm not a club owner, here's what I look for in a Weyr when I want to join:

1) 5 colors of dragons. Any more than that and I stop looking right there.
2) If the Weyrwoman/Weyrleader is under resonable age then I'm not looking at that club any longer.
3) None of that telekanisis stuff. As far as I'm concerned Skies of Pern was all a bad dream...
4) Activity! Yes, I check on the yahoogroups site as often as I can. If the Weyr hasn't had a post in months then I'm not bothering.

Stuff that matters, but is not absoute.
1) More choices than gold/green for female candidates. I perfer gold/brown/blue/green. It just is more fun for me that way. :)
2) Southern. I don't know why, but I like the south! Seems more fun with crazy plauges and wild felines everywhere to cause trouble.
3) Rules. I don't know how to describe it, but there's a general 'tone' in some of the rule pages I read. You can tell if a person really thought their club out a lot of the times with the rules... or if they slapped it together within five minutes.

I feel like I should add more, but can't think of anything else at the moment.

[C_ris]

Stuff that matters, but is not absoute.
1) More choices than gold/green for female candidates. I perfer gold/brown/blue/green. It just is more fun for me that way. :)


Why not just try playing male characters?

[HarperBrandyAlexander]

Why not just try playing male characters?


I do. :) I generally play about half and half. But sometimes you just get an idea for a candidate, an idea that won't fit for a male and you're going. "Ugh, I don't want a goldrider... but do I have to make her go for green again? That'll be my 5th greenrider!" A few years of that and you want something a little different, you know? I'm no green-snob, mind you! I do have two candidates in clubs that would be good for green and are going for 'em, but sometimes I just want a choice!

[Ravien Coromana]

ahh. yes... the story of the female dragonriders... Anne says herself that Females can impress blue (at least homosexual ones) because males can impress green. and the brown buisness, I don't know what's up with it either, but I like female brownriders for some reason.

<-Complains about his weyr not having enough males... PLEASE HELP ME!!!

[C_ris]

Actually, she doesnt say that. She denies that there ARE lesbians on Pern. But in fandom, then that I find acceptable.

[Miss Scarrlet]

I have our club's first Weyrling female blue. :D No one knows quite how to handle her, as on our Pern, its never happened before.

[Kalli]

I don't mind female bluerider but I don't like female brownriders. My theory is that because green and blues are gentitcally engineered specifically to be fighters, not breeders, the gentic imperative to Impresse someone of the same gender at hatching isn't as stong in them as if it is in golds, bronzes and browns who Kitti Ping designed to be the ones to carry on the species.

That and the fact that I've run across too many instances where females brownriders were used as an excuse not to write male personas. :roll:

[Anareth]

I don't mind female bluerider but I don't like female brownriders. My theory is that because green and blues are gentitcally engineered specifically to be fighters, not breeders, the gentic imperative to Impresse someone of the same gender at hatching isn't as stong in them as if it is in golds, bronzes and browns who Kitti Ping designed to be the ones to carry on the species.


This logic works for me, especially given the situation with the greens. I don't really like females on brown, I know some clubs do, and that's fine for them, though it really only makes sense to me when orientation of the rider has NOTHING to do with Impression (which is appealing on its own--saves a lot of confusion.)

[HarperBrandyAlexander]

This logic works for me, especially given the situation with the greens. I don't really like females on brown, I know some clubs do, and that's fine for them, though it really only makes sense to me when orientation of the rider has NOTHING to do with Impression (which is appealing on its own--saves a lot of confusion.)

I've always liked that too. I've seen (and I've done them as well! lol!) too many plots where a boy impresses a green and is like, "Oh darn. I guess I'm gay now." It just doesn't make too much sense. :D