Geneology and couplings of the Talents

[pern_queen_rider]

Two unknown Parents:
The ROWAN

Isthia & ? had many children, the one most mentioned being
JEFF RAVEN

The Rowan and Jeff Raven had 5 children,

JASEN, DAMIA, ? ? ?

DAMIA and AFRA LYON had 7 children:

Laria - Thain - Rojer - Zara - Ewain - Petra - Morag

Laria & Kincaid, Laria is pregnant, with a child unknown as of end of Tower and the Hive, but she is definitly pregnant

Thain & Allison Anne Greevy(Gravy)

Rojer & Asia

Did I miss anyone? Tell me if I did.

[Silver]

okay.... who is Jasen?

Jeff Raven and Ian are children of Isthia not Rowan.

[pern_queen_rider]

okay.... who is Jasen?

Jeff Raven and Ian are children of Isthia not Rowan.
Jasen is the first born of the Rowan and Jeff Raven. Let me clear my chart us a bit, it IS kinda confusing.

[granath]

1) Isthia and Josh Raven:
Jeff Raven, Ian Raven + 10 other children

1) Ewain and Morag Gwyn
Angharad Gwyn, Ian Gwyn

2) Jeff Raven + Angharad Gwyn-Raven
Jeran, Cera, Damia, Larak, Ezro

2) Gos & Cheswina Lyon
Goswina, Chostel, Afra

3) Afra Lyon & Damia Gwyn-Raven
Laria, (Is)Thian, Rojer, Zara, Morag, Kaltia, Ewain, Petra

4) Laria Gwyn-Raven & Kincaid Dano

4) Isthian Lyon & Allison-Anne Greevy

4) Rojer Lyon & Asia Eagle(s)

Jeran, Cera and Larak are known to have children.

Check my Towerdexhttp://www.geocities.com/mhallfors/amc for further info.

[granath]

Jasen is the first born of the Rowan and Jeff Raven. Let me clear my chart us a bit, it IS kinda confusing.

His name is Jeran, not Jasen. :roll:

[pern_queen_rider]

His name is Jeran, not Jasen. :roll:
:eek: Sorry. I don't HAVE the book "THe Rowan" yet...

[granath]

No problem. ;) I thought you did, as you posted this thread...

[pern_queen_rider]

No problem. ;) I thought you did, as you posted this thread...
Am I really THAT predictable?!

[granath]

I don't know you well enough to judge. I just called things the way I saw them. In any case, I hope you find the partial genealogy I posted useful. :)

[Greenrider Kyii]

Going from an old memory of reading the books. Larak couldn't of had children, he died, at the beginning of the books, didn't he? protecting Damia anyone remember that?

[Aurelia]

From Get off the Unicorn online:

She could even forget her present preoccupation for a moment: forget how lonely she was; how she envied her brother, Larak, his loving, lovely wife and their new son; envied her mother the company of her husband and children; envied her Afra's…


So...he had a wife and at least 1 kid.

[Silver]

Larak's wife was pg again when Larak was killed.

[granath]

She was. One child is known to have survived, a boy called Grayhan is mentioned in TTATH. The second pregnancy is mentioned as being a consolation for Larak's wife, although it's only third-hand info, so she could have miscarried from the shock of losing him. In any case, later on only one child is mentioned, but it's possible Anne forgot the woman was pregnant when Larak died.

Larak got going very young. He was a couple years younger than Damia at least, and Damia got together with Afra when she was 18, meaning that Larak was about 16 when he died. At the time he had one child already, and the second on the way, so he must've started at 15...

[Aurelia]

From this site: http://www.thirzajane.com/dt/indexpeople.html

The Rowan's momma was Morag Gwyn. Father=Evain Gwyn. She married Jeff Raven (son of Josh and Isthia) and had kids: Cera, Damia, Ezro, Jeran, and Larak.. Damia married Afra, and had kids: Ewain, Kaltia, Laria, Morag, Petra, Isthian, Zara. ;) :) :) :)

[granath]

Aurelia, haven't you read anything I've written above? :devil:

[Bamy]

Reading through threads is always a good idea before posting, I was going to reply with Larak's son's name but saw that it had already been done.

[Brenda]

That's twice now just in this thread, Aurelia - don't post if you haven't read what comes before!

[Talstar(TalenaFiend)]

I just reread the series so I can say with confidence that the second lisiting is correct.

[Paulita]

Going from an old memory of reading the books. Larak couldn't of had children, he died, at the beginning of the books, didn't he? protecting Damia anyone remember that?
Larak had a wife when he died who was with child.

[granath]

She had one child already and was pregnant with the second when Larak died. Although to me that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because Larak was over two years younger than Damia, who was about 18 when she became pregnant with Laria, making Larak 15-16 when he died. And we're asked to believe that he'd had time to sire a second child by that time... However, the second child is never mentioned again, but Grayhan is mentioned by name in TTATH.

[Eliqi]

At the time of Larak's dead, Afra has been at Callisto for 28 years and he was 16 when he came - which makes him 44. He's 24 years older than Damia, so she's 20 and Larak about 18. He was a young father, but it's not impossible.

[granath]

That's Anne's sense of time for you, Eligi... Later they say that Damia was 18 when she fell pregnant with Laria. :shrug:

[Eliqi]

That's Anne's sense of time for you, Eligi... Later they say that Damia was 18 when she fell pregnant with Laria. :shrug:

:shhh: Continuety/consistency is not her force...

[granath]

Indeed. However, I do think that having Damia 20 and Larak 18 would be the more reasonable option.

[LadyDeerskin]

....the thing i have always thought interesting has been that the white hair/skunk stripe seems to pop up in most of the Talent books. perhaps a sign of the continuation of Daffyd Op Owyn/Ryssa?

[granath]

Not necessarily although it can't be ruled out. Daffyd Op Owen was Welsh-American, whereas the Rowan's parents were from Wales itself. So it's highly doubtful that Angharad would be a direct descendant of Daffyd, but they may have some ancestors in common.

[portalvast]

2) Gos & Cheswina Lyon
Goswina, Chostel, Afra

Afra also has 2 (I think?) un-named brothers. Or maybe sisters. It's been a while since I've had Damia around to check in.

[Faren]

That's true. I don't think they mentioned their names in Damia. Now I'll have to check when I get home.

BTW, welcome to the KT portalvast. :wave:

[Bamy]

Peter redinger the first also had desendents in Peter redinger the (something or other) and Elizara and her son Pietro.

There were descendents of Rhyssa Owen also mentioned but not a part of the main storyline...

Not to mention other sideline lineages - the Bastianmajanis of Altair had a granddaughter in Flavia

[granath]

Well yes, but they were completely unrelated to the Rowan.

[persephone]

Afra had a couple brothers and sisters each, but only Goswina gets a name. At least I think that's her name. And she has a son who gets mentioned in Damia, but I don't think any of them make an appearance after that.

[Attraidies]

ok here comes another spanner for the works how about all the other eagles, sparrows, neice's and nephews back on deneb how would they all fit in!!!!!!

[persephone]

As to how old Damia and Afra are when they finally hook up, here are some numbers to think about: When Jeff first visits the Rowan in her Tower and they get to making Jeran, Afra had already been there eight years (pg 81 of the Ace paperback book). That would make him 24 years old when JERAN is conceived. Jeran is 4 years older than Damia, making Afra 28 when she was born.

But WAIT, there's more! Later in the same book, (Damia in case you're wondering) it goes on to say that Afra "had stunned Damia with his mention of twenty-eight Towered years. But his love had to face the fact that he was twenty-four years her senior" (288). This statement shows that Afra is only twenty when Damia was born, and that Damia is twenty four years old at the time of Sodan's attack.

Conclusion? Anne McCaffrey fails at basic math.

[Brenda]

:laugh:

[granath]

It's obvious she never bothered to make a timeline for the characters and stories, just made things up as she went along. A shame really, because the stories are really good otherwise.

Another big one is when the Rowan gets to Deneb to heal Jeff, she's lent shoes that were used by Isthia's "granddaughter". And there she's nursing her last child, and supposedly freshened every year (according to "Damia") for sibling bonding!

[persephone]

I wish she would have taken the effort of making a time line, especially in the Pern series. I mean, these issues iwth Damia's age isn't that big a deal since it's only in the one book, really, but in the PERN series . . . I'd say about half the threads in that forum are mostly about contradictions she makes because she didn't bother keeping track when she wrote the books.

[Cherlyn]

It's obvious she never bothered to make a timeline for the characters and stories, just made things up as she went along. A shame really, because the stories are really good otherwise.

Another big one is when the Rowan gets to Deneb to heal Jeff, she's lent shoes that were used by Isthia's "granddaughter". And there she's nursing her last child, and supposedly freshened every year (according to "Damia") for sibling bonding!

You forget that she could have Isthia could have had her first child at 24 and her last at 45 . . . Even if the first one waited until they were 24 to have their first child, that would put the oldest grandchild at age 21. It's not uncommon. My own paternal Grandfather was raised with his two nieces after their mother, his sister died, and they were 2 and 4 years younger than he respectively.

[granath]

Well, maybe that one might work!

Too bad that all of the kids in single digits and teens except Ian seem to have died in the attack.