Which color do you think is more important/reliable

[bugsy]

Which do you think is the better or most reliable color of dragon

GOLD
BRONZE
BROWN
BLUE
GREEN
[B]WHITE[/BIf

If you can't tell I think WHITE is the most reliable and important

Have fun with this one :ok: :rofl:

[BD1]

I think that Gold might be important!!!!!!!! Without the gold (dragon) no clutches. :( :( :(

[C_ris]

All of them. They all play important parts in the Weyr society and life. You can't have an army of Officers! :roll:

[Kitsch]

I'm not sure white is the most reliable - what with Jaxom always sloping off to 'sow his wild oats' ;) :evil:

[C_ris]

I'm not sure white is the most reliable - what with Jaxom always sloping off to 'sow his wild oats' ;) :evil:
Thats the rider, not the dragon!

[Mausey]

For reliable I'd have to say brown, bronze and golds. They seem to have the longer memory so they'd be better able to remember what's important.

[bisb]

For reliable I'd have to say brown, bronze and golds. They seem to have the longer memory so they'd be better able to remember what's important.

While the others add color to the Weyr the bronze and gold seem to lead the way.

[BeckyMildan]

I think that the rider makes the dragon to a certain extent. If the rider is steady and reliable the dragon will be. If the rider is lazy or scatter brained then the dragon most likely will be also, at least from the human point of view. In human terms the dragons take their cues from the riders' mind. As for dragon culture (seperate from human culture), we don't even know for sure if one exsists. :fiend: :fiend:

[Kitsch]

Thats the rider, not the dragon!

But if the rider is absent and not paying attention cos of being distracted then due to the link between dragon and rider then so is the dragon, surely!

[fuzzypaws]

To a large part the rider does make the dragon. But also the dragon makes the rider. I feel that without one you would not need the other, in the wild the gold flit leads the show. The gold dragon is the largest and again calls the shots.

[Hans]

I think as reliability goes the brown dragons might come out on top, as the golds and bronzes are involved in "Weyrleading", and mating flights with an enormous responsibility and impast, so "politics" is the word that comes up. And greens and blues seem a little more playful for just the opposite reasons.

Browns, the colour of the wings seconds for me, is portraying the relaibility of a staunch, solid second man or a trustworthy and competent secretary. Get my drift?

White? Certainly not. ALL white dragons on Pern are far too smart, smug and deceiving to be labelled reliable :D

So, brown gets my vote.

[bugsy]

I do agree with all of your thoughts with a FEW exceptions :razz: and maybe all gold or all bronze or all brown ect nay not be the most reliable but some of each might be and to some extent the rider does make the dragon but the opposite is also very true

[AnnMarie]

Brown.

They're the one's who take the orders and get things done. The go-betweens between Bronze/Gold and Blue/Green. The unsung heros (except, of course, for Canth)

[dae]

i think each dragon plays its part but blues and greens are the important one because they are the ones that fight the most

[TamTam]

I think that Gold might be important!!!!!!!! Without the gold (dragon) no clutches. :( :( :(

Gold and bronze, of course. Two to tango and all...

I like the greens the best, myself. They're small and quick and you need that for fighting thread. Plus, they make up half the dragon population. They could take over the Weyr if they wanted. :devil:

Not that they would...

[Lady Arwyn]

Well, the gold would seem to be most important, they are the only ones who produce eggs. Without gold, there are no other dragons. But when proddy, during mating flights and while broody, they aren't reliable at all, they are all-consumed with mating/maternal instincts.

The bronze seems quite reliable, nearly as smart as the golds but without the problem with being out for brooding time, but they aren't the only ones that can mate with the golds, so can browns.

Browns I would say are about like the bronze, I think they may be more reliable than the bronze, they aren't worried all the time about the golds.

Blues are really common, almost a third of the fighting force. They're important to the Fighting Wing, but not terribly bright.

Green is the most numerous, fully half of the fighting force. Very important to the Fighting Wing, but not too bright and when proddy are highly unreliable.

During Intervals the blues and greens (and to some extent the browns) really are just dead weight for the Weyr to support. Too bad the dragons can't just "shut-off" the ability to create the lesser colors, it would make the golds and bronzes less, ahem, full of themselves, if all of the dragons are bronze and gold then they might not get so uppity, if they had to rank themselves against each other for quality/leadership/intellegence, they might not look down on the other colors so much.

White does seem most reliable, but Ruth is the only one, and not able to reproduce.

If every one of one color died out, what would happen?

Greens - if it were during a Pass it would be a disaster, since fully half of the dragons are green. And if it were during an Interval (or a Pass!), there would be alot of sexually frustrated male dragons.

Blues - would only be a problem during a Pass, losing 1/3 of the fighting force would hurt. But during an Interval, who cares? Their loss wouldn't affect a thing. But you'd have a lot of very happy bronzes and browns for all those green flights!

Browns - their loss would not be fun,as they are a part of the leadership system, but bronzeriders and some blueriders would fill their positions rather quickly.

Bronzes - if they all died off, the browns would simply take over all Wing leadership and breeding of the golds.

Golds - the species would cease to exist. Maybe the greens would take over breeding (if they had never chewed firestone), but you'd never see a gold or bronze dragon ever again.

White - well, once Ruth dies he wil be remembered as a legendary dragon for his abilities, but it won't be any terrible loss to the Weyrs.

So, overall, I would say the golds are the most important, and the browns are the most reliable.

[NeouofPern]

Well... I don't think I can safely pick out a most reliable. The colors are all so intertwined that they all depend on each other. Erm... except white... Though in the end Ruth proved useful. So is there a true answer to the question?

[Elianth]

Well, obviously, the golds produce the best clutches. But without bronzes and browns...they wouldn't produce as much.

And they all play important roles when fighting Thread.

[Weyrwoman Kalina]

Well, Gold goes without saying.

In order, I would say then Bronze, and then Brown... but without the smaller, more agile dragons fighting Thread wouldn't be as effective.

So, I guess what I'm saying is they all have their usefullness

[DuchessPariah]

I like the greens the best, myself. They're small and quick and you need that for fighting thread. Plus, they make up half the dragon population. They could take over the Weyr if they wanted. :devil:

Not that they would...

You are right. They wouldn't, because ... all the dragons listen to the golds. One gold dragon could order them to NOT take over... and the resistance receives an instant coup de grace. The least bloody revolution-defeating technique in the history of the Earth and/or Pern.

Go, Gold!

---

I must say that most reliable and most important relate to two different issues.

Even more unfortunate/confusing, the definitions of both words are up for some major interpretation.

IMHO, though...

Brown is most reliable... they do the dirty work.

The female dragons (gold and green) are equally as important for completely different reasons. Gold because they are THE matriarch of the society. They are THE key to reproduction. Green because someone has to sate the blue/brown/bronzes and take care of those men. Greens are the fighters, the "little" dragons that carry so much weight.

[Brenda]

I'm not sure white is the most reliable - what with Jaxom always sloping off to 'sow his wild oats' ;) :evil:
Considering he only had the one fling, with Corana, whom he only saw - what - four times? - he's less promiscuous than most riders!

[fuzzypaws]

Hmmm could that be because he was a Lord Holder and suppose to set the example.

[AnnMarie]

Hmmm could that be because he was a Lord Holder and suppose to set the example.


Actually, he's tame even by Lord Holders standards. Remeber, the Lord Holders often had a legal wife and one or two Ladies at the same time, to be sure there was SOMEONE presentable when it came time to pass on the Hold.

[Lady Arwyn]

Jaxom is tame *especially* when compared to other Lord Holders. He's even criticized at one point for not creating enough "by-blows" to "keep his heirs on their toes". And remember, this is at a time/place when the "heirs" were far from guaranteed to grow up, or even to live long enough to inherit. A Lord had to have enough "by-blows" to ensure that he *will* have someone to give the Hold to if all of his children by marriage and to have half-siblings that are loyal to the Hold to fill high level management positions. In a way, Jaxom is failing to complete his duty by siring enough heirs to secure the Hold properly. I still like to think that he sired a child on Corana, she would have ben thrilled! It's a high honor on Pern to bear the Lord's child and comes with many perks.

And also,polygamy seems to be legal, at least among the Lords. Fax had 7, which was considered to be excesive but 2-3 didn't seem to raise any eyebrows. Larad had 2. And they have their favorites that they support. When Tolocamp brought in his favorite mistress, with whom he had several chidren, eyebrows were raised with regard to the speed with which he did it, not that he lready had someone waiting in the wings.

[Brenda]

Larad had two wives, but not at the same time.

[maiken]

Um....hmm...

Golds..are important
Bronzes..are important
Blues are my favorite thus to me the most important...*giggles*

But that's only my opinion..


mai :shhh:

[Lady Arwyn]

Larad had two wives, but not at the same time.
Yes, they were at the same time. He brings each wife to different events, and varies between the two. One seems to be a love-match and the other seems to be a political match.

He married Dulsay first, she is mentioned in one of the early books. Five turns later he marrries Jissamy, we see her at an event, then we see Dulsay again in a later book. He clearly has two wives at one time.

Hmm, I smell a new poll/topic...

[fuzzypaws]

Not even Anne is perfect. As she says she made a mistake and gave him two wives. But she fixed it. Of course do not make the mistake of making love to one and crying the other's name. That would cause a scene

[B`dgyr]

Golds, y'all. "The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world..."
Without golds, what would we have?

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

I think that they are all very important in their own way, but the golds and bronzes come out ontop with keeping the population alive.

[palmedfire]

I would say the greens. No greens, not enough dragons to fight Thread. I mean, greens are supposed to be making up half a Weyr fighting force!

[Milo]

I'd say that a rider gets chosen for a particular color because of the way the rider is, so its safe to say that "x" color/rider is the most reliable, most spontaneous, most reckless etc.

I agree with Hans and AnnMarie, Browns. They consistently show themselves to be strong and useful. Also they dont have the ambition that could make a Bronze/rider reckless. They CANNOT become weyrleader, so they wont be tempted to stab other's in the back, connive, and generally waste time that could otherwise be spent contributing to the Weyr.

[C_ris]

I'd say that a rider gets chosen for a particular color because of the way the rider is, so its safe to say that "x" color/rider is the most reliable, most spontaneous, most reckless etc.

I agree with Hans and AnnMarie, Browns. They consistently show themselves to be strong and useful. Also they dont have the ambition that could make a Bronze/rider reckless. They CANNOT become weyrleader, so they wont be tempted to stab other's in the back, connive, and generally waste time that could otherwise be spent contributing to the Weyr.
any dragon who mates with the queen can become WL! the only reason that it is normally bronzes is that they can fly faster and for longer!

[Ryuu]

White? Certainly not. ALL white dragons on Pern are far too smart, smug and deceiving to be labelled reliable :D :noface:

not reliable??? :faint:

Hans.... :mad:

I'm giving you the same advice I gave C'milo about her post (http://www.annemccaffreyfans.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=1148)....:dragon:

run....run & hide! :borg:

[C_ris]

:noface:

not reliable??? :faint:

Hans.... :mad:

I'm giving you the same advice I gave C'milo about her post (http://www.annemccaffreyfans.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=1148)....:dragon:

run....run & hide! :borg:
:erm: C'milo's male :shhh:

[Ryuu]

:erm: C'milo's male :shhh:whatever :roll:

all you humans look alike :erm:

[rider_of_the_last_queen]

They're all important to me. The queens lay the eggs yes, but the bronzes fly and mate them so they can lay eggs. The browns, greens, and blues play their own part in keeping Pern Thread free. Ruth also had his part in things. He fought thread and kept Jaxom safe and happy and he and the greens got them to the colony ships when Avias told them about his plans for Pern. If I remember rightly, did't F'lessan help out with putting those things in the Red Star to help end thread forever. I don't remember who else had a part in it. If anyone else remembers feel free to fill us in. K?

[Lady Cin]

Which do you think is the better or most reliable color of dragon

Better? Green for me. They're fun, there's bunches of 'em and the weyr couldn't do without them during a pass.

Most reliable? Brown, definitely. The smart, strong ones are good enough to fly the queens; the ones with the most stamina fight the best during a fall; the smart, fast ones can catch the greens. Sounds like they have all the best things, in my opinion.

:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

[rider_of_the_last_queen]

Now as far as which on is better i'd have to go with the greens b/c they're a a whole mess of them and it was Tai's green dragon that taught the other dragons how to use telekenetics. Hee hee. Greens are so cool. Despite the fact that they're so proddy, which I wouldn't mind in the least, they're great. Most people go for the golds but I'd love to have a green if I could Impress.

[Anareth]

Brown.

They're the one's who take the orders and get things done. The go-betweens between Bronze/Gold and Blue/Green. The unsung heros (except, of course, for Canth)

Yep, pretty much. Also the 'backup' in case the bronzes can't *ahem* do their duty, so to speak, given they're big enough to stand a chance with the golds (except for the mutant Benden strain, and even there Canth could easily outfly Oldtimer bronzes and Oldtimer queens if he'd liked.)

In genetic terms--golds, absolutely. The bronzes can be replaced by another color, the browns. The queens are the ONLY breeding females and the only color who can command the others with absolute authority. Lose the golds, lose the species.

But in terms of Weyr structure, all are important (except white, of course--he's outside the structure.) As mentioned, you can't have an army with just officers. You need the foot soldiers, and that's the blues and greens.

Or look at it this way--if they weren't important, Kitti could have left the two smaller colors out, as they did at the onset when they needed only breeding animals.

[rider_of_the_last_queen]

Yep, pretty much. Also the 'backup' in case the bronzes can't *ahem* do their duty, so to speak, given they're big enough to stand a chance with the golds (except for the mutant Benden strain, and even there Canth could easily outfly Oldtimer bronzes and Oldtimer queens if he'd liked.)

In genetic terms--golds, absolutely. The bronzes can be replaced by another color, the browns. The queens are the ONLY breeding females and the only color who can command the others with absolute authority. Lose the golds, lose the species.

But in terms of Weyr structure, all are important (except white, of course--he's outside the structure.) As mentioned, you can't have an army with just officers. You need the foot soldiers, and that's the blues and greens.

Or look at it this way--if they weren't important, Kitti could have left the two smaller colors out, as they did at the onset when they needed only breeding animals.

Amen to that. I totally agree with you on that Anareth.

[Green~Rider]

If you mean the most reliable to the rider him/herself, then white.

If you mean to keep the population going, then bronze and gold.

For keeping Pern thread-free, then the other three.

Therefore, they're all important. Like Anareth said.

[Monkeysrule]

Yup. btw, your posting frenzy is almost as rabid as Rider's was not too long ago.

[rider_of_the_last_queen]

:blush: I don't post so much any more. Do I? Sorry bout that guys. I'm trying to stop posting so much.

[Brenda]

:blush: I don't post so much any more. Do I? Sorry bout that guys. I'm trying to stop posting so much.
:mad2: :mad2: DON'T YOU DARE APOLOGIZE!!! :mad2: :mad2:

If you have something to say, you can say it! :megaphone

[TamTam]

:blush: I don't post so much any more. Do I? Sorry bout that guys. I'm trying to stop posting so much.
Don't you dare! :D It's nice to read some fresh ideas.

[rider_of_the_last_queen]

Ok. I won't say i'm sorry again. K?

[yuan]

Hey Rider, Don't apologize! But how did you do it? Your posts were everywhere. So many so fast... A few of the posts had a lot of "Hee, hee!" comments in them.
uhm, how to put this... Were you on some kind of substance? :evil: A little help to stay awake there...? :O
oh, what's with the "last"

[Monkeysrule]

:blush: I don't post so much any more. Do I? Sorry bout that guys. I'm trying to stop posting so much.
What the...

In case you haven't noticed, we like it when people have poeting frenzies. Forums are all about posting, right? :roll:

Keep up the good work!! :ok:

[rider_of_the_last_queen]

Well, I got fussed at by one of the staff. He said that people were getting a little annoyed with all my posting. That's why I cut back so much. Hee.

[pern_queen_rider]

All of them. They all play important parts in the Weyr society and life. You can't have an army of Officers! :roll:
Too true, too true