What would you like the next PERN book to be about

[bugsy]

I'm not say that Anne Mccaffrey should do these suggestions just a what if

I would like to see a book on after the end of thread and also one about the middle of the last long interval.

:2cent:

[Lady Cin]

I would like to see the story told from where she left off at the end of the short story 'The Second Weyr.'

Tell us about the founding of Telgar, Ista, High Reaches and Igen Weyrs please.

:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

[NeouofPern]

I'd like a story about a green and blue rider pair.... Instead of bronze and gold.

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

I'd like a story about a green and blue rider pair.... Instead of bronze and gold.

hehe, I'm actually writing a fanfic about that :D

I'd especially like to see a book that tells about the very end of thread. The riders triumphantly charring the last strands falling from the sky, finally rid of the menace.

But I'm happy to read ANYTHING about Pern. :bow:

[BeckyMildan]

I would like a story that takes place several hundred years after thread. The end of thread and knowledge from AVIS opens up so many possibilities that I would like to see how much Pern changes. Also, how will people think about the dragons and thread? Will fighting thread become a myth that no one is sure really happened? How will the dragon rider's life style change and what will life for them be like?

[Mayhem]

Becky, I second that!!!
Sounds good to me!
:ok:

[maiken]

:ok: Sounds good to me too!!!

mai :ok:

[Larry O-G]

I would like to see the story told from where she left off at the end of the short story 'The Second Weyr.'

Tell us about the founding of Telgar, Ista, High Reaches and Igen Weyrs please.

:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
I will second that :2cent: but then any new Pern story will do ;)

[C_ris]

I will second that :2cent: but then any new Pern story will do ;)
I agree, with both!

[Lady Arwyn]

I want to see either the Final Fall or the story of Moreta II. Those I consider most important.

But also:
*the Weyrs' reaction when the Pass doesn't begin on scedule during the first Long Interval
*the reaction when it does start much later than sceduled
*the reaction of all Pern (and Benden Weyr, of course) when the other Weyrs disappear
*the story of the last (early Pass) female greenrider

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Those are great ideas, Lady Arwyn, I'd love to see books written about that. But I'm confused as to what you mean by Moreta II, theres another Moreta??

[Lady Arwyn]

The legend of Moreta, as known in the 9th Pass, indicates that Moreta was HAD and was a Benden Weyrwoman from Ruatha. It also placed her on her own dragon for her death. We know this is wrong. Moreta was from the Keroon Plains, was the Fort Weyrwoman, and was *not* HAD.

We see in the final chapter of Nerilka's Story, Alessan and Nerilka had a daughter they named Moreta in honor of the great Weyrwoman. Anne has said that this daughter was HAD, Impressed a gold at Benden and went on to great things of her own. Within a few hundred years the legends of these two women who were Weyrwomen less than decades apart became intertwined until no one remembered that there were two Moretas, with completely different stories.

What I want to know is what the 2nd Moreta did that made her famous enough to get mixed up with the first Moreta.

[McClance]

If it's on Pern, I'm happy. :) :ok: ;)

Although, I would like to know what happened between Iantine and Debera after Dragonseye.

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Oh, I had completely forgotten about Alessan and Nerilka's daughter. Looks like I need to do some re-reading :D That does sound like a very interesting story, I hope it gets written someday.

[Kenzie's Mom]

I'd like to read more about what happen after the opening of the second Weyr. and read about any of F'nor's son.. if any of them joined with a dragon of his own.... :2cent:

[Jayru]

I'd love to see The Skies of Pern followed up. There are a lot of loose ends with that book. I really want to see Toric get what he rightly deserves, and I want to find out what happens between F'lessen and Tia.

[Dawn]

I'd like to know what happened after The Second Weyr. I'd also like a story about Moreta II and the rest of Iantine and Debera's story. :)

[Lois]

Well besides doing a pre publication order of Todd's new book...may he write Many Many More :bow:

I am happy to see where Todd goes, but I would like a Dolphin only tail of how they saw their history. With perhaps it taken from Skies of Pern as a lesson from Therese in the "Dolphin Hall" for students/apprentices of the Dolphin Hall, maybe F'lessan's son/daughter with that loverly green rider as the apprentice. :bouncy:

Hey...I really do not care as long as there are more please..I also cede copyright of this idea to Anne and Todd McCaffrey for their use if so desired, let all in this forum be witness. :D

:heartbeat
Lois

[Master Harper Andrea]

Yes, I love all the dragon stories, but would also love to see stories about other crafts and lives too. I know there are some, but would like more. And I agree about Toric...that one needs a taking down. And yet, who else could have tamed Southern?

[McClance]

I would like a Dolphin only tail of how they saw their history. With perhaps it taken from Skies of Pern as a lesson from Therese in the "Dolphin Hall" for students/apprentices of the Dolphin Hall, maybe F'lessan's son/daughter with that loverly green rider as the apprentice. :bouncy:


Now, that would most certainly make for an intriguing story! :rolleyes: :ok:

[fuzzypaws]

I personally would love to see the story of a craftsman from beginning all the way through walking the tables for his mastership. I know it would cover a lot of years but maybe some of the younger readers would appreciate more how hard it is to become a master and why there are not that many.

[Reyneth]

Everything that Arwyn said, plus Torene and M'hall in the early years of Benden while other Weyrs and Holds are founded.

I want to know more about Lytonal/L'tol/Lytol. He had a very diverse (probably the most so ever on Pern!) and rich life. Debera and Iantine and other 2nd Pass people would be nice to see also.

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Its not exactly Pern, but I'd REALLY love to see a book completely about the Nathi war, explaining more about the Eridani race, and how Kitti Ping and Admiral Paul Benden became victorious. :D

[McClance]

Its not exactly Pern, but I'd REALLY love to see a book completely about the Nathi war, explaining more about the Eridani race, and how Kitti Ping and Admiral Paul Benden became victorious. :D

I think that would be interesting to read about. :) :ok:

[dae]

how about a dragons point of view so instead of what is going on with his rider what goes on with dragons what do they do all the time

[BD1]

Maybe a book set after Dolphins of Pern. About Readis as a Dolphineer. :shrugs:

[McClance]

how about a dragons point of view so instead of what is going on with his rider what goes on with dragons what do they do all the time

That would be interesting too. :)

[TamTam]

It would be interesting, but considering that Anne and Todd take omnicient POVs, I doubt it will happen.

I would love to see a story about Lytol. Considering that he's been through enough for three lifetimes, he certainly deserves his own story.

There was something proposed on the "Divorce" thread, about a woman that runs away from her husband and starts a new life, and the husband catches up to her. Sort of a Pernese "Sleeping with the Enemy." That would be interesting.

[McClance]

It would be interesting, but considering that Anne and Todd take omnicient POVs, I doubt it will happen.

But wasn't Nerilka's Story written from the point of view of a particular character?

[thebeliever]

Its not exactly Pern, but I'd REALLY love to see a book completely about the Nathi war, explaining more about the Eridani race, and how Kitti Ping and Admiral Paul Benden became victorious. :D

This is an awesome idea! :good:

[BeckyMildan]

I would love to see a book of short stories about minor characters. Kind of short bio's. (One or two pages would be satisfactory for a lot of them.) I would also like a book about Mirrim and T'gellan and Monoco Weyr. Then there is Talina. I would like to know more about her.

[TamTam]

But wasn't Nerilka's Story written from the point of view of a particular character?
Oh, you're right! :erm: Forgot about that one.

[queenrider melody]

I would like to see a bit of a change in dragon mating, a blue dragon flying a gold dragon. Also, I would like a minor hold taking a large part in the book. :shhh: But, I would like to see a lot of things that won't happen, and I don't want to deal with it! :banghead:

[fuzzypaws]

I would love to see a book about the end of thread and what happens next.

[Kenzie's Mom]

Maybe a book set after Dolphins of Pern. About Readis as a Dolphineer. :shrugs:
I love this book.. it's my favorite book on tape to take with me when I travel. Something about it makes it easy to relisten to it and still love it :ok:

[oldfozz]

what I would like to read would be about what happens to toric and also how sebell & mellony end up as well as the last days of thread.

[Brenda]

what I would like to read would be about what happens to toric and also how sebell & mellony end up.
If you mean how do they end up together, that is in Dragondrums.

[Ravien Coromana]

I would like about the 4th and 8th passes, as those are the long intervals, and i would like to see the "public"'s opnion of them.

[TamTam]

I would like about the 4th and 8th passes, as those are the long intervals, and i would like to see the "public"'s opnion of them.
I second that. I can just imagine the riders' confusion, and the holders and crafters getting ticked that they'd been "conned" about thread coming back.

[Brenda]

The eighth pass was just before the second Long Interval - and we know what happened after that interval!

[Nagetier]

Yes, I would totally love to see a story about a bluerider. Poor beans, so ignored.

[bugsy]

I don't rember his name but the dragon rider in dolphins of pern who had made friends with regis (I think thats how you spell it) and the dolphins who was the younger brother and wasn't suppose to be a dragon rider. Any way I would like a story about him.

[Raven]

I agree with all of the suggestions so far! I also would like to know if any small-sized cats (housecats) are around and if they were enhanced by mentasynth, too. Is it possible that some of those amazing PeTayBe cats have relatives on Pern???? Also, I'd like to read about dragons learning to sing like the fire lizards. And can the dragons talk to the dolphins? And I'd really like to know more about Lessa's life before Fax.

[Yonuh Adisi Fiend Jedi]

The legend of Moreta, as known in the 9th Pass, indicates that Moreta was HAD and was a Benden Weyrwoman from Ruatha. It also placed her on her own dragon for her death. We know this is wrong. Moreta was from the Keroon Plains, was the Fort Weyrwoman, and was *not* HAD.

We see in the final chapter of Nerilka's Story, Alessan and Nerilka had a daughter they named Moreta in honor of the great Weyrwoman. Anne has said that this daughter was HAD, Impressed a gold at Benden and went on to great things of her own. Within a few hundred years the legends of these two women who were Weyrwomen less than decades apart became intertwined until no one remembered that there were two Moretas, with completely different stories.

What I want to know is what the 2nd Moreta did that made her famous enough to get mixed up with the first Moreta.


In Moretta, towards the end, (can't say exactly where or quote exactly because I don't have my books with me right now) It was stated that the ballad of Moretta's Ride was written to suggest that it was Orlith that Moretta was riding. I don't remember what the character's reasoning was. I just remember that that was what had happened.

[C_ris]

I agree with all of the suggestions so far! I also would like to know if any small-sized cats (housecats) are around and if they were enhanced by mentasynth, too. Is it possible that some of those amazing PeTayBe cats have relatives on Pern???? Also, I'd like to read about dragons learning to sing like the fire lizards. And can the dragons talk to the dolphins? And I'd really like to know more about Lessa's life before Fax.
i that that they must have some variation of domestic cat, as in Moreta they knew what a feline was. And cats don't take well to metasynth.

[Brenda]

They didn't want it to be known that she had not been riding her own dragon when she died. They didn't tell about timing forward either.

When the dining hall full of people sings it in Dragonsinger, it's about Moreta going to the rainforest to gather the precious seeds that contained the cure; and the end, when the exhausted Moreta "seeks the oblivion of between."

Censorship, artistic license and the blurring of centuries.

[Valihi Wingsecond]

I would like to see...

- More First Pass info regarding M'hall and Torene, the founding of Benden and the earlier Weyrs, the setting of many dragonrider traditions, etc.

- More 2nd Pass work, particularly regarding Debera and Iantine's relationship and any difficulties they might have encountered

- The end of Thread, and then and dragonrider lifestyle changes in "After"

- What the second Moreta (Alessan and Nerilka's daughter) did to become so famous she was blended with the original... if anything at all besides being a dragonrider and records being obscure...

- The life of the first male green rider (I'm assuming these started showing up sometime at the end of the First Pass or in the First Interval), and the confusion caused when a dragon didn't Impress to a human of its own gender (as Kitti egineered them)

- A novel about the life of Lytol, his time spent in all three main aspects of Pernese life (Dragonrider, crafter, and Holder)

[Valihi Wingsecond]

I'd love to see no more Todd books on the horizon, ever... and replace them with nice glossy Dragonchoice hardbacks!

Not a Todd fan either, Kath m'love?

[Kenzie's Mom]

(picture me writing this is a calm ah gees golly tone....)

Give Todd a chance.... I know of a few people who didn't like Anne's books at first either but they gave her another chance and have been reading her for more years then some of you have been a twinkle in your parents hearts.:bouncy: Todd's style is different... you can't expect him to be a carbon copy of his mother.. Believe me even *I* wish he could be because I love Anne McCaffrey's books... All of them... I've only read them about 20 times each.... and even if Todd is different.. I'm finding that after the second reading and getting to know his characters... I'm getting used to his writings too..l and yes.. liking his books...

If nothing else he's getting people to talk about Pern and that keeps it alive for all of us.. :) I for one need my Pern fix every now and then...

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

I have no problem with Todd's style, I knew it wouldn't be like his Mother's and his technical writing is quite decent. But it's the nonsense he writes that irks me to no end. I quite honestly would rather Pern end than be kept alive through Todd's warped vision. Pern will never die as long as long as Anne's books are in existance, but Todd is changing alot that existed to fit his personal opinions. I'm horrified at what will happen when (I really hate to think about this) Anne is gone, and they have only Todd to go to for living feedback when they make more movies. :scared:

[Kath]

What he said!

[And Valihi - no need to hide behind the sofa, is there? I've thrown Dragonskin against the walls many times, and I'm certainly not ashamed of it :D ]

Todd simply writes bad fanfic IMHO. There's better out there, and when I want my Pern-fix, that's what I'll read.

[C_ris]

I have no problem with Todd's style, I knew it wouldn't be like his Mother's and his technical writing is quite decent. But it's the nonsense he writes that irks me to no end. I quite honestly would rather Pern end than be kept alive through Todd's warped vision. Pern will never die as long as long as Anne's books are in existance, but Todd is changing alot that existed to fit his personal opinions. I'm horrified at what will happen when (I really hate to think about this) Anne is gone, and they have only Todd to go to for living feedback when they make more movies. :scared:

Exactly! (I actually quite like HOW he wrote... pity it was ruined by the cr*p he put in it!)

[Lady Cin]

It's not Todd's style...it's his details...they contradict Anne canon in some rather significant ways.

However, I do like some of his ideas...short flights for whers, whers that can go between, whers with infravision. I don't like his explanation of how whers fight thread or wher names all ending in -sk.

[Valihi Wingsecond]

*Nods.* It's not so much Todd's style that annoys me, rather the contradictions... I'm sure that when Anne handed the series over to him, he felt he needed to make it his own in a way, yes, but to me it seems that he's forgotten so many of the details that made Pern PERN to begin with...

And the couch is part of my siggy Kath. :D I don't mind sharing my opinions, but I love my furniture's defenses... :D

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

It's not Todd's style...it's his details...they contradict Anne canon in some rather significant ways.

However, I do like some of his ideas...short flights for whers, whers that can go between, whers with infravision. I don't like his explanation of how whers fight thread or wher names all ending in -sk.
The heat vision was his best addition to Pern, I did like that, it made alot of sense. The flying didn't bother me, because why would they have their wings clipped if they didn't have the ability to fly? But betweening did bother me... that's a step too far in my view towards wanna-be dragons. And betweening from the ground is even more contradictory (I'm pretty sure that happened, unless my mind is playing tricks on me). And it's a fact that whers' names aren't supposed to end in -sk... the wher's name in Moreta was Burr ;)

[Milo]

Not a Todd fan either, Kath m'love?
Who is?

:redfruit:

[Valihi Wingsecond]

The heat vision was his best addition to Pern, I did like that, it made alot of sense. The flying didn't bother me, because why would they have their wings clipped if they didn't have the ability to fly? But betweening did bother me... that's a step too far in my view towards wanna-be dragons. And betweening from the ground is even more contradictory (I'm pretty sure that happened, unless my mind is playing tricks on me). And it's a fact that whers' names aren't supposed to end in -sk... the wher's name in Moreta was Burr ;)

Not to contradict you Bronzie, but...

Whers don't have their wings clipped/manipulated in any way so they can't fly. The term "clip-winged", when referring to a wher, is a derogarotory one, use because a wher's wings are so small/stunted in proportion to the animal that it shouldn't physically be able to fly... Then again, bumblebees shouldn't physically be able to fly, and isn't there the idea that dragons fly partically due to telekinesis?

As well, I'm going to assume that by Moreta's time no one was listening to whers the way they were in the time of Kindan... Whers are considered incredibly stupid, your average animal, like a dog... Hence, when one needed a name, you just gave it one, you didn't ask what it wanted to be called. That's my thought, anyway.

However, I don't like the idea of going between off the ground. Aren't they a lot of lectures with dragons about the dangers fo doing that? Quotes, anyone?

[Aurelia]

Some people are, I'm sure....but most just read Pern because it's PERN. (as to C'milo's quote).

And, in Todd's DB, Arith betweens of the ground.

[Valihi Wingsecond]

For me, Todd's destroying what Pern is... :shrug:

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Not to contradict you Bronzie, but...

Whers don't have their wings clipped/manipulated in any way so they can't fly. The term "clip-winged", when referring to a wher, is a derogarotory one, use because a wher's wings are so small/stunted in proportion to the animal that it shouldn't physically be able to fly... Then again, bumblebees shouldn't physically be able to fly, and isn't there the idea that dragons fly partically due to telekinesis?

As well, I'm going to assume that by Moreta's time no one was listening to whers the way they were in the time of Kindan... Whers are considered incredibly stupid, your average animal, like a dog... Hence, when one needed a name, you just gave it one, you didn't ask what it wanted to be called. That's my thought, anyway.

However, I don't like the idea of going between off the ground. Aren't they a lot of lectures with dragons about the dangers fo doing that? Quotes, anyone?
If it were a person saying 'wing-clipped', then that could very well be true. But in Dragonflight, right in the first couple pages or so, it says:

'The watch-wher was ecstatic with pleasure, its long body trembling, its clipped wings rustling.'

Later...

'Lessa looked down for one more long moment at the repulsive head. She laid it down to the stones, caressed the clipped wings.'

So it seems very much a descriptive phrase, rather than a derogatory name. granted, this was Anne's first Pern novel and was still straightening things out, but there has been nothing since to change that, so I accept it as being true.

Bees ARE physically able to fly, but that myth was started when a scientist was making comparisons of ability to fly with the variable of size. His point was that a bumblebee the size of a plane wouldn't be able to fly. It all has to do with mass. Whers, with their amount of mass, especially being so thickly muscle-bound, no matter how fast they beat their wings they WILL NOT be able to fly on sheer wing power. It's completely against the laws of physics. It's still a stretch that a dragon, with their MUCH larger wings , would be able to fly, let alone a wher with piddly little flaps for wings.

As you said, there's the theory of telekinesis, which I hold to. You might ask if they're able to use telekinesis, they should be able to fly, wings nor no wings. But someone suggested, I can't remember who, that if they have some amount of self-awareness, they would connect wings with flight. So once they're gone, that might override their unconscious use of telekinesis for flight. That's the best theory I've heard so far that doesn't contradict the books.

About betweening from the ground, I think the book that discusses it most is Moreta, but the keywords "between" and "ground" are kind of ambiguous for a specific quote through a document... so I couldn't find any quotes. But the gist of it is that a dragon NEEDS to clear the ground, because anything touching it goes between with it. Air being the exception, I guess :laugh: So either all of Pern goes with it (yikes, what would happen on the other end??) or the dragon dies. Quite obvious why caution is so heavily stressed.

[Valihi Wingsecond]

About betweening from the ground, I think the book that discusses it most is Moreta, but the keywords "between" and "ground" are kind of ambiguous for a specific quote through a document... so I couldn't find any quotes. But the gist of it is that a dragon NEEDS to clear the ground, because anything touching it goes between with it. Air being the exception, I guess :laugh: So either all of Pern goes with it (yikes, what would happen on the other end??) or the dragon dies. Quite obvious why caution is so heavily stressed.

I like that theory. :D

Maybe "clipped" on Pern means small when referring to wher wings and isn't just derogatory? Gah! I hate the ambiguity of using quotes/concepts from the "Weyrsearch" section of "Dragonflight" in arguments and such, just because Anne was still working out plans and there were a lot of kinks to iron out... :irked:

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Could be... I suppose the only way to find out the precise meaning is to ask Anne herself :evil:

[Valihi Wingsecond]

*Purrs and rubs up agaisnt Anne's legs.*

[vampire_huntress]

I would like to see...

- More First Pass info regarding M'hall and Torene, the founding of Benden and the earlier Weyrs, the setting of many dragonrider traditions, etc.

- More 2nd Pass work, particularly regarding Debera and Iantine's relationship and any difficulties they might have encountered

- The end of Thread, and then and dragonrider lifestyle changes in "After"

- What the second Moreta (Alessan and Nerilka's daughter) did to become so famous she was blended with the original... if anything at all besides being a dragonrider and records being obscure...

- The life of the first male green rider (I'm assuming these started showing up sometime at the end of the First Pass or in the First Interval), and the confusion caused when a dragon didn't Impress to a human of its own gender (as Kitti egineered them)

- A novel about the life of Lytol, his time spent in all three main aspects of Pernese life (Dragonrider, crafter, and Holder)

I agree with all of these! I would love to know more about Debera and Iantine and about the second Moreta most of all but the others are great ideas, too, Valihi Wingsecond.

[Kenzie's Mom]

I still want to learn more about N'ton.... He was in a lot of the early books but almost seem to disappear in the later books... I always thought F'lar was sort of training him to take over if anything would have happen to him...

[HarperBrandyAlexander]

I would like to see a post about when the first woman impressed a brown.

:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

[Dragongirl]

And I'd really like to know more about Lessa's life before Fax.

I've actually having ideas revolving in my head on that for a while now! I'm thinking of starting a story on a Pern when Ruatha wasn't invaded & F'lar & Lessa met under different circumstances. Problem is, its hard to cause then I'd probably have to change the entire series!:banghead:

[vampire_huntress]

I've actually having ideas revolving in my head on that for a while now! I'm thinking of starting a story on a Pern when Ruatha wasn't invaded & F'lar & Lessa met under different circumstances. Problem is, its hard to cause then I'd probably have to change the entire series!:banghead:

That sounds like a good idea. The thought of a girl impressing brown would be something to marvele at.

[persephone]

I'd like some Oldtimer action from the POV of an abused holder to clarify why the Oldtimers were so hated. Plus it would make good story.

Also, some more Trader stories. Renegades isn't the best, but the best parts of it are the bits dealing with life as a trader. And Piemur. Foot loose and fancy free, I guess.

Definitely a story about somebody other than a Weyrleader, Lord holder or harper. I think we've seen enough of those. Somebody "normal" would be nice for once. Things don't have to be planet altering to be interesting.

[GirlSlick]

I'd like some Oldtimer action from the POV of an abused holder to clarify why the Oldtimers were so hated. Plus it would make good story.


Who said the Oldtimers abused holders?

Personally I'd be more interested in something from the POV of an Oldtimer, to clarify just how alien the ninth Pass was to them, what with holders not respecting dragonriders as they should and the contemporary dragonriders throwing their weight around, with their unfair advantage of huge dragons flying all the queens.

Never was much gratitude for the sacrifices those Oldtimer dragonriders made - not T'ron and Marda, or T'kul, but your average J'oe who spent a lifetime fighting Thread in his own Pass and then came forward to do it all again, in a very different Pern.

[Anareth]

Who said the Oldtimers abused holders?

Personally I'd be more interested in something from the POV of an Oldtimer, to clarify just how alien the ninth Pass was to them, what with holders not respecting dragonriders as they should and the contemporary dragonriders throwing their weight around, with their unfair advantage of huge dragons flying all the queens.

Never was much gratitude for the sacrifices those Oldtimer dragonriders made - not T'ron and Marda, or T'kul, but your average J'oe who spent a lifetime fighting Thread in his own Pass and then came forward to do it all again, in a very different Pern.

What she said. I felt bad for that brown rider in RoP. A bunch of traders are too ******* stupid to come out of Thread, and we're supposed to side with Jayge and "Oooh, that awful dragonrider?" I don't think so. If Pern had the Darwin Awards they win it. And the Oldtimer, who's upended his entire life and gone from retirement to back into action, is at fault?

[persephone]

Meh, the traders didn't believe thread was coming back. I don't side with them, I just thought the best parts of the book were about the traders.

And the abuse thing, there's that part in DQ where the oldtimer stabbed F'nor, when F'nor tried to keep him from stealing from the smith crafters. I got the feeling theft was pretty common as a form of 'tything' without the middle man. Or something. There had to be some reason why none of the holders liked the oldtimers, other than just "Benden doesn't like them, so neither will I." Though on the other hand, considering how stuff goes down in other books, I suppose that too is a possibility. But the Oldtimers are interesting, and they don't get enough play in the books.

[Brenda]

I don't think the pre-9th pass dragonriders were very well liked either.

[granath]

That they weren't, as they were seen as an unnecessary burden. The holders did change their tune pretty quickly when it comes to the Benden weyrfolk though. In TWD and Renegades there are several references to dissatisfied holders, especially in the South where they don't even bother to fly Threadfall, but still require tithes from the holders. And in pre-exile days, when they were still in the Northern Weyrs, some Benden dragonriders were shocked when holders ran from them.

That said, it'd be interesting to see things from an Oldtimer perspective.

[anonew]

Wow. So many usernames I don't recognise.

Anyways, I remember reading a short story, Rescue Run I think it was, about a human vessel which visits Pern just as the original colonists are coming to the end of their lives, finds a bunch of people hiding in a cave, somehow misses the rest of the population, picks them up and takes them home.

It made me think - it would be interesting to see what happened if contact with the rest of human civilisation was re-established. Tourism alone would be a helluva shot in the arm for the Pernese economy, plus these dragonrider guys can offer the opportunity to travel in time: how might that be abused by humanity at large? (I'm of the opinion, and always have been, that time travel will be the end of human civilisation).

This might've been done already - I haven't really bothered with the more recent Pern books.

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[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Not yet, and according to Anne, never will. The system was interdicted to keep people away from the system... but then again, Ballybran was interdicted too :erm: But I agree that it would be a facinating story to see modern humanity and Pern cross paths again :good:

[anonew]

Not yet, and according to Anne, never will. The system was interdicted to keep people away from the system... but then again, Ballybran was interdicted too :erm: But I agree that it would be a facinating story to see modern humanity and Pern cross paths again :good:
If there's one thing guaranteed to have people queueing up to visit somewhere, it's saying that they can't. They turf so many people out of Area 51 every year that the US Military would be well advised to install a revolving door.

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[toadkiller]

Heresy alert!

I'd just as soon there wasn't another book. But I feel they should have stopped a long time ago.



As for the outsiders visiting - once Anne can't define Pern anymore I imagine that's right where it will go.

[JinkiesP]

Possibly one of the "extinct" Weyr volcanoes is really a dormant Volcano that starts erupting again. With a weyr suddenly exploding, it would be great drama.:ok:

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

Not to mention mass death :eek2:

[Shalyn]

Meh, the traders didn't believe thread was coming back. I don't side with them, I just thought the best parts of the book were about the traders.

And the abuse thing, there's that part in DQ where the oldtimer stabbed F'nor, when F'nor tried to keep him from stealing from the smith crafters. I got the feeling theft was pretty common as a form of 'tything' without the middle man. Or something. There had to be some reason why none of the holders liked the oldtimers, other than just "Benden doesn't like them, so neither will I." Though on the other hand, considering how stuff goes down in other books, I suppose that too is a possibility. But the Oldtimers are interesting, and they don't get enough play in the books.

Thing is, DQ took place seven Turns later than DF. So, that's seven years of the Oldtimers being treated as so much chattel by Benden, seven years of holders telling them "well, Benden doesn't do it that way", seven years of feeling unappreciated.

Robinton was making a ballad about Lessa's bravery in going back 400 Turns to bring them forward. No one made a ballad of the sacrifices made by thousands of dragonriders leaving the comfort and familiarity of their homes and families by coming forward. It was all "Lessa, Lessa, Lessa". One rider, one dragon.

And I'm sure many of them thought, "Hey, if she hadn't gone back and brought us forward to fight for another forty to fifty years, then there would have been no problem."

I'm not saying that the oldtimer had a right to steal the knife, or to stab F'nor, but at that point in their lives, they were probably feeling extremely aggravated with Benden, and with an allegedly proddy green added to the mix, his emotions got the better of him.

Don't forget - they didn't have Zoloft, or Paxil, or Lexapro (antidepressents) then. The most they had was St. John's Wort - if that - and that can be iffy.

[Bronze-Dragonrider]

And I'm sure many of them thought, "Hey, if she hadn't gone back and brought us forward to fight for another forty to fifty years, then there would have been no problem."
That's the biggest point of all! :banghead: If Lessa didn't have a queen, I'd be surprised that one of the more cold-blooded of them didn't try to kill her.

[persephone]

Thing is, DQ took place seven Turns later than DF. So, that's seven years of the Oldtimers being treated as so much chattel by Benden, seven years of holders telling them "well, Benden doesn't do it that way", seven years of feeling unappreciated . . . No one made a ballad of the sacrifices made by thousands of dragonriders leaving the comfort and familiarity of their homes and families by coming forward. It was all "Lessa, Lessa, Lessa". One rider, one dragon.

I never would have thought of these sorts of things, and a book dealing with these sorts of tensions could [should] be really interesting. What point of view would it have? Would it try to sympathize with the Oldtimers, or would they continue to be vilified? Would it explore the cultural changes that occured over 400+ years? Would there be some fish out of water action, a bit of the culture shock? Throw in (or out) some 'dirty American' style interactions between Oldtimers and Holders, mix it up some, give some insight into these terrible Oldtimers. They've got a bad wrap, man.

And why are the worst Oldtimers pretty much located in Fort and High Reaches Weyrs? The other three Oldtime Weyrs, you don't hear so much about. D'ram's a great guy, R'mart's, uh, got 'mart' in his name, and then there's that other guy. And their Weyrs, which are presumably full of people. People you don't hear about. Because you only hear general grumbling about Oldtimers, and only witness Mister Green and his Brown Friend, and they're from Fort. And most of the riders exiled to Southern were High Reaches and Fort riders.

I'm just saying, there's some great possibilities here. And stuff. I'm just Really Sick of harpers all the time.

[Shalyn]

I never would have thought of these sorts of things, and a book dealing with these sorts of tensions could [should] be really interesting. What point of view would it have? Would it try to sympathize with the Oldtimers, or would they continue to be vilified? Would it explore the cultural changes that occured over 400+ years? Would there be some fish out of water action, a bit of the culture shock? Throw in (or out) some 'dirty American' style interactions between Oldtimers and Holders, mix it up some, give some insight into these terrible Oldtimers. They've got a bad wrap, man.

And why are the worst Oldtimers pretty much located in Fort and High Reaches Weyrs? The other three Oldtime Weyrs, you don't hear so much about. D'ram's a great guy, R'mart's, uh, got 'mart' in his name, and then there's that other guy. And their Weyrs, which are presumably full of people. People you don't hear about. Because you only hear general grumbling about Oldtimers, and only witness Mister Green and his Brown Friend, and they're from Fort. And most of the riders exiled to Southern were High Reaches and Fort riders.

I'm just saying, there's some great possibilities here. And stuff. I'm just Really Sick of harpers all the time.

At first, I never thought of these possibilities either - mainly because I had no one to discuss the books with.

At a site like this, you get many different viewpoints, plus a lot of people thinking things through. That's why I love this place.

Some day, in my copious spare time and when I have a plot in mind, I might do something like this. Because the Oldtimers should not be vilified. Even T'ron/T'ton and Mardra. They were the ones Lessa went to first - they probably felt the 'brunt' of what they thought of as a betrayal. Granted, they were close-minded, but really - were they ever given a chance to be open-minded?

[Brenda]

And why are the worst Oldtimers pretty much located in Fort and High Reaches Weyrs? Well, the worst leaders are. We don't really see any regular riders except for the two at the smithcrafthall - one demanding a knife, and the other one apologizing for him. Besides, people are influenced by their leaders. If you have a leader who's constantly griping about how it's not like the old days and these idiots don't know the meaning of respect, you're more likely to feel that way than if your leader is like D'ram - staunch, still accustomed to the old ways but willing to work to ease the differences.

[Kestrel]

Personally, I would like to see a sequel to DragonsEye (I really enjoyed DE). Also, I would love to see a book that takes place long after the end of the final Pern Threadfall, detailing dragonriders and their place in society (they were seen as a bruden during long Intervals, so are they seen this way now that the threat of Thread has ended? Would someone want to use his (or her) standing as a dragonrider to gain power? Could dragonriders become craftsmen in other fields now that Thread is gone? What about the dragon population?) as well as the impact AIVAS had on the Pernese way of life (crafts, knowledge, technology, social structure?).

[Anareth]

I like Jinkies's idea. Sometimes volcanoes aren't extinct, just dormant. And sure, mass death, what of it? Makes for great drama when it's fictional.

And Bronzie, I think Shalyn's point about Lessa and if she hadn't brought them forward isn't that those OMG so mean Oldtimers *note dripping sarcasm* would have killed her. I think the point is that Lessa and Co. should remember that if the Oldtimers are having a hard time with the 'new' Pern, then maybe Benden should ST*U and remember whose bright idea this all was.